This shot is part of a series about the opressed women of the arabic world and ther claim for freedom, made for a school work in which we had to transgress both in concept and in our maner of work and style of previous works.
Is this a women's rights in your view? >>>>>>>>>> You want women to be like an animal without clothes. You are not asking the women's rights you are asking her body. You want to insult her dignity want to enjoy her body naked. You want a woman to be delivered items such as Western women, which displays her body in the Declaration of soap and shaving men. You are a human wolves all your interest in the woman's body and her mind and not to itself. Put the veil of Islam and to protect women from the eyes of human wolves. Alemraep a Muslim woman wears the veil because they do not want people to see her body but you want people to see her mind and her person is to respect them and not for her body. By the way Islam is the most prevalent religions in the world Many women walk in to Islam and wear a veil themselves
You are quite mistaken, women in Sharia law countries don't have religious freedom or freedom to decide what to do, no choice whatsoever, I call that oppression, and if you want to see into a womans mind then get ready, I don't think a physical intrusion is anywhere as discomforting as a mental one, especially when you want to lobotomize women. Human wolves you say? Unfortunately there are equal ammounts of human wolves in every religion, the only way for a person to save his ass from such wolves is to take initiative and responsability and make a fight for the life, if a woman wants rights in Muslim countries, she should just wage herself to be the boss of her own life and kick people of your opinion out of her personal life, who said a woman might want you to scope her mind anyway? I think most women want Muslims to get lost and I mean it, you are no-more than a meager 20% of the world population whilst the VAST MAJORITY are atheists, and a self-respecting atheist never converts to anything, all I hear is testimonies and bla bla of christian or muslim converts, but you can't make up a testimony of an atheist converting to Islam because it just doesn't make sense and most Atheists should be self-sufficient enough to have studied Islam and made a choice for whatever of the many reason to not accept your religion.-
i think you should make a new series then !! cause this picture is completely untrue !! you are the ones oppressing us !! let me help you with your assignment of yours do me a favor and spread my true message as a proud Muslim Arab Egyptian woman [link]
Don't get it bad, maybe some women like you are happy and free, but there's a lot of women that are absolutely opressed not only because they cannot show her face or her hair, but because some laws of many arabic countries are very discriminatory. And you should know it, as many of them die trying to get some freedom. It's not about the way they dress, because that doesnt really matter. It's about human rights. And it's not against muslim. Lot of muslim women are totally free. It's about discrimination. If you feel free don't get upset because this doesn't represents you.
i am not denying some of them are oppressed but the way the western media put it it's 99% oppressed and only 1% are free and that's because these 99% are muslims while the 1% other religions !! and even the women who are oppressed in our community do have the legal rights to sue the men oppressing them , and the "ones dying for freedom "are rare cases when they happen the one behind the oppression is not left to live freely either he is criminalized and imprisoned !! but you know modeling this picture contradicts what you are saying .. why do you always show the bad side and hide the good one .. it makes whoever sees it feel as if we are living in a forest not in a normal world !! how is it not against muslims while wearing a hijab that represents the muslim community and saying it's about human rights .. by connecting the two i get that islam is against human rights ?? i hope i am not misunderstanding you .. i am just trying to know the western's point of view on both muslim and arab communities .. sorry if my tone is a bit aggressive but i hope you can understand these kind of deviants which generalize arab/muslim women of being oppressed get the better out of me ..
On first term, on this class work he had to do something very controversial, as he explains. And this is very, very controversial. That's why he's showing the bad side, and not the good one.
And the right problems are not on the Islam, but on politicians and people that use it for harm and oppress. And that doens't happen only with Islam, but also with Christianism and many other religions. The Holy Church used its power for years to oppress people and on the Holy Bible you cannot find any single line that talks about this. I'm sure the same happens with the Koran. Of course islam it's not against human rights, I never said so. In fact, I don't think so.
Lot of muslim women are free, I have muslim friends and I love her and respect her religion a lot. And they are not arabian, so we don't really have to think about arabians when we talk about muslim women.
But I'd like to know why I have to cover my hair when I go to some extremist countries... not all, but some of them. That's not oppression?
Yes, you get a bit aggressive, but don't worry, I understand you! xD I'm a minority group (I'm catalan) and we get usually attacked by politicians and spanish media... so I really understand you. I also want to know what do you think, that's why I'm replying all these messages! I'm the one modeling and I don't want that any islamic women misunderstood this photo. That's not an attack.
I think this image does more to promote the misconceptions about Islam and Muslim women than it does to promote a message about women's rights. The Hijab is not a form of oppression, in fact most Muslim women consider it to be liberating. Also the Niqab or veil is not a requirement for Muslim women, it predates Islam, but it is considered to be an additional act of worship by some Muslims. Also predating Islam, the Burqa is worn only in parts of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India and is more closely associated with the local culture than any religion.
Oppression typically comes from ideas alien to Islam, often from the local regions' cultural or tribal traditions. Sometimes it can come from completely secular influences, but in all cases these ideas contradict what is found in Islamic teachings. Also, most extremist clerics have little to no formal training in Islamic scholarship.. like the people who try to slander Islam, such clerics will often use incorrect, false, or incomplete verses to support their views along with weak Hadiths.
If you would like to learn more about women in Islam, Islam's Women has a number of great resources to study. I would recommend checking them out, they provide great information for Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
With all due respect, you are the ones making it controversial .. not us . and by you i mean the western community of course not you personally .. you don't live in the arab world , you don't understand our culture , language .. you don't understand us .
i said " do you think islam is against human rights " cause you cover your hair with a scarf ( hijab ) only muslim women wears these but i now understand that you meant muslim radicals and politicians who commit bad deeds under the name of islam
in what countries should you cover your hair ? it's only muslim women who should cover their hair not " everyone " .. or maybe you mean when you enter mosques and as such ?
i am sure after they read this discussion they will not misunderstand you
Brother, if you can't teach someone something, why bother tell them? The idea of Islam or ANY religion is far beyond most ppl's idea in western world. Here the very concept of FREEDOM is different than the spiritual freedom that Eastern world preaches. Don't bother. The world runs on media and ppl would rather ASSUME that Arabian people are oppressing women then actually go and read and do serious research on that. Oh and on top of that we have the so called "my opinion" ideology. What people forget is universal rules don't give a damn about "my opinion". But most western people, regarding Islamic rules, have their "opinions". So let them have it their way. If they like taking off clothes of women in the "name of freedom"; then by all means they should. But don't bother trying to tell them what Islam really preaches...cause the way I see it, even many Muslims don't understand the true and beautiful meaning of Islam and its teaching in Muslim (i.e. Arabian) nations.
Sorry , if you think I don't understand the true Islam , you might be right .. but I am doing my best to know more and more of my own religion .. normally , I'd be offended by what you said , but I gotta stay true to myself .. My point in this discussion was as prophet Muhammad ( pbuh ) said : Convey from me even a single verse .. I did my part , and the rest is left up to them
This is where the problem lies. I TOLD YOU " if you can't teach someone something, why bother tell them?" NOT "You don't understand islam". When ppl start to analyze and put their own thoughts into someone else's words, this is what happens. My words were not direct TOWARD you but rather toward THOSE who can't recognize YOUR words. Geez. And you said Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said to convey. Indeed as a Muslim we should do it, but look around you for a sec. HOW MANY people are willing to let go of arguments, how many people are willing to LISTEN and THINK and ponder for hours on end about words that ANY prophet (PBUT) said? No one! Why bother? You can write tons of stuff to show them about Islam, but they won't understand. Those who understand, they understand because of 2 things: 1. BY THE GUIDANCE of ALLAH (SWT) ONLY one can understand what is TRUE Knowledge. 2. They try to understand w/ the HELP of Allah (SWT) and THINK and research on it by their own. They don't go out and start TELLING people what is what because they realize, in the end, it means nothing cause those who don't want to listen, wont' listen. Heck, most muslims barely understand the true meaning of Islam, and you are trying to tell those who are not even muslim about islam. This is what I meant. And someone like you who didn't even bother to PROCESS my words and thought that I meant "Sorry, if you think I don't understand the true Islam", then think it this way: YOU misunderstood MY thought as a muslim, then how can THEY understand what YOU say?
THINK, don't just spill words... Also all wise men said one thing (even in Islam): Seek knowledge, share only w/ those who are capable of understanding it, and make silence your best friend.
Hope NOW you understand what I meant. Peace to you brother.
I'm not making anything controversial. That women are oppressed in lot of arabian countries is a fact. And I repeat that it's not a religion problem, but a social one. Do the Koran say anything about wearing a hijab? I think that it just talk about modesty and decency, not about covering hair (please, tell me if I'm wrong!). So it's not a religious problem. You are muslim and you're not oppressed. In fact you are chating with me on the internet and freely surfing the net! That's not oppression at all! xD You're not oppressed being muslim, but lot of women are. And not for their religion, but for living in a radical country. Muslim women like you choose to wear hijab to show your religion, and I absolutely respect it. Even if I'm not muslim or arabian I dealed with the arabian world for years when I worked on Amnesty International as a volunteer... that's why I know so many muslim people. They were amazingly great people, very respectful and open-minded.
It's also a fact that in my country women are victim of domestic violence. I don't like it, but it's there and I'm not blind. And I can't say that it's media that make this controversial because this fact it's controversial itself. Women always had to deal with these kind of problem... so sad!
When the spanish journalist Ana Pastor went to Iran to interview Mahmuh Ahmadineyad she had to wear hijab, and she's not muslim. I can understand that when you enter a sacred place you had to cover, for respect to belivers, so mosques and sacred places are not a problem for me, to be true!
I said i didn't mean you personally when saying you make it controversial .. i also didn't deny the fact that a lot of women in arabic countries are oppressed , just like women all over the world . equally . so why are you so interested in portraying them specifically instead of portraying all the other women ?? and yes both Koran and Hadith asks women to wear hijab ( which is modest ,decent and not revealing ) .. so again how come it's not a religious matter if you are portraying arab women wearing the hijab and saying they are oppressed ?? i know and am sure that you have nothing against islam .. by the sound of it you DID meet moderate muslims not the radical ones .. but why do you respect it yet in some way hinting that it oppresses ?? i hope you bear with me but these are the normal questions a normal person would ask upon seeing this picture !! my father is a judge and so i know a lot of cases to do with oppression in our region .. and mostly it is women who file sue cases against their husbands .. so it's not like we are living in a jungle whenever you go their is a prey eaten by the monster , we have laws that oppressed women could resort to in case of violence or oppression . NOT saying there is no oppression still .. but not to the extent you are presenting in your pic. !! well,Iran really ?? i am a sunni muslim not a shee'a like Iranians , and sunni muslims believe that sunna is only the true islam and that shee'a is another form of salfia , muslim brotherhood and as such .. you know do strange stuff , but that doesn't mean that we disrespect them.. because of islam we are obliged to respect their point of views " To you be your Way, and to me mine. " .. but even in the days of prophet muhammed only muslim women were to wear hijab , but out of respect non-muslim women should wear hijab in sacred places like mousqes . even though it sounds as if we are fighting i am really enjoying talking to you i feel like i am being enlightened .
He finally deleted the photos because he was getting dead menaces. He only keeps this because we were talking here, but to be true I don't really have anything more to say about this. It's all so sad and pathetic...